April 3, 2025 – A day after the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) began firing employees and eliminating entire departments as part of a massive reduction and reorganization of its workforce, Calley Means defended the cuts in a combative interview at a Politico Live healthcare event in Washington, D.C.
Means, the co-founder of healthcare startup TrueMed, is working with Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as a special government employee at HHS and is a central figure in the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) movement, and he described the cuts as a dismissal of bureaucrats.
Politico’s Dasha Burns pushed back on that framing, citing the fact that career employees, including scientists, have been let go. “Those scientists have overseen a record of utter failure,” Means said. “Fundamentally what Bobby has done is, he has taken over a department that has utterly failed.”
While sparring with hecklers in the audience, whom he accused of being lobbyists, Means accused Burns and the media at large of ignoring a chronic disease epidemic among American children and said Kennedy’s focus is on solving that issue, starting with understanding “what’s in our food.” But he didn’t provide answers as to how Kennedy plans to get that work done with a drastically reduced workforce, including at least 3,500 dismissed Food and Drug Administration (FDA) employees.
Means said cutting “indirect costs” would allow HHS to send more money to researchers, although some research funding on chronic disease has already been cut. That same day, a coalition of researchers filed a lawsuit against the National Institutes of Health (NIH), which is part of HHS, challenging cancellations of research grants.
